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Mara Rinn Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium 1357	Posted - 2012.05.12 05:17:00 - [1] - Quote James 315 wrote: As for the gankers, their numbers are growing rapidly. Each day, more and more pilots are getting hooked on ganking. No, more and more pilots are getting hooked on the sucker payments handed out by Goonswarm. 100M ISK for every 10 Hulks blown up. Don't make the mistake of assuming that these pilots would be out there blowing Hulks up if there weren't significant rewards on offer. They weren't blowing up miners before Hulkageddon, they won't be blowing up miners after Hulkageddon. 100M ISK for blowing up 10 Hulks is a pretty decent motivator, wouldn't you agree?
Mara Rinn Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium 1358	Posted - 2012.05.12 07:15:00 - [2] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: That barely covers the cost of the gear used to gank them, and when you consider sec status lost (unless you use dedicated gank alts, in which case you're not really after the money anyway), you don't even break even. Please show me this 10M ISK catalyst fit.
Mara Rinn Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium 1358	Posted - 2012.05.12 07:17:00 - [3] - Quote Miilla wrote: And ore prices are rising and ore in short supply? Note that mineral prices are still coming down from the pre-buildup speculation fuelled by drone poo rumours. Combine that with a lot of people offloading their stockpiles (which is pushing the prices down), and I expect Hulkageddon could continue running for another month before we hit the bottleneck of miners actually mining stuff to produce minerals. How many industrialists don't have a month or two supply of the things they need to maintain production?
Mara Rinn Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium 1358	Posted - 2012.05.12 07:18:00 - [4] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: We're not going to come and whine when some cloaky loki pops our Hulk in nullsec and runs away though... it's an accepted risk if you do stuff like that. No, the perpetual "AFK cloaker" whines in F&I couldn't possibly be from null sec residents at all.
Mara Rinn Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium 1358	Posted - 2012.05.12 07:23:00 - [5] - Quote James 315 wrote: The majority of human highsec miners have quit mining. Do you mean "quit mining" the same way my nicotine-addicted friend has "quit smoking" several times over the past year? I'm pretty sure you'll find that human miners will take to the belts again very quickly after the unofficial end of Hulkageddon (which will be a few days after the official end, since many participants are the mouth-breathing types who need to be told things by word of mouth since they can't actually read). Heck, once word gets out that Goonswarm is no longer honouring the bounty offer, Hulkageddon will be over very quickly indeed.
Mara Rinn Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium 1361	Posted - 2012.05.12 08:46:00 - [6] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Catalyst: 1.4m *Light Neutron Blaster II: 1.3m8=10.4m** Gunnery Mods: 3 million Everything Else: ~ a few hundred thousand Total Value: 15 million Surviving Mods: 6.8 million, assuming 50% survival rate for modules Sunk Cost: 8.2 million per Catalyst You're doing it wrong. Switching from T2 to T1 means you can use 2 catalysts for this job, and afford an Orca full of Catalysts for the same price as those guns of yours. Now factor in the salvage and loot from the Hulk or Mackinaw you just killed. It's really not that hard to do it right.
Mara Rinn Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium 1368	Posted - 2012.05.12 23:26:00 - [7] - Quote Tobias Sjodin wrote: Yes, and another account is free of charge, right? Not to mention the time inefficiency and increased risk factor of using multiple accounts. Bring on the irrelevant arguments! That's right folks, step this way and we'll start a discussion about how ganking hulks is an income generation mechanism measured in ISK/hr! No longer is it sufficient to not go backwards when ganking hulks, no siree! Now the argument has changed to "ganking hulks to collect the Goonswarm bounty isn't as profitable as mining!" Step right up, see who can reduce the argument to the most absurd statements!
Mara Rinn Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium 1369	Posted - 2012.05.13 11:17:00 - [8] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Shut up, you're wrong. Yes, you do gank for money, so don't even try to deny it, lying scumbag. Also, I don't gank Hulks but I know more about ganking because you're dumb and stupid and you're doing it wrong, noob. If you are ganking to a budget, you need to figure out how to achieve your goals within the budget. If you want to gank with T2 fit catalysts, you need to seek a source of funding other than the Goonswarm bounties. You can't go ganking with T2 fit catalysts and then complain that you run out of money, hoping people will take pity on you. Complaining that the second account isn't free doesn't make sense: you're not ganking for the income to buy a PLEX. You've already paid those accounts using other means otherwise you'd be doing something far more profitable than farming Goonswarm bounties. Bottom line is: either you're ganking with a limited wallet and you need to adjust your tactics to cost you less than 10M ISK per kill, or you've got a sugar daddy (possibly your main) who doesn't care about the ISK cost. If you have a sugar daddy, go ahead and use T2 blaster catalysts, solo ganking hulks in 0.7.
Mara Rinn Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium 1383	Posted - 2012.05.13 22:00:00 - [9] - Quote Scien Inkunen wrote: Somebody is making a lot of ISK from minerals. More likely is that someone speculated at the top of the bubble and is desperately trying to manipulate the market into rising again so they can dump their 7 ISK tritanium.
Mara Rinn Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium 1384	Posted - 2012.05.13 22:59:00 - [10] - Quote Nimbus Cloud Liebrum wrote: War? more like terrorism but whatever helps you sleep at night. its not a war when the other side isnt and doesnt care to fight. Terrorism would be when people aren't mining due to the fear of gankers being out there. It would be terrorism if, six months down the track, people refused to undock in a Hulk for fear of being ganked. What we have is a riot on the streets, not terrorism. The riot is fuelled by a public competition with awards to people who inflict the most damage.

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